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Why are people already convinced project Scorpio is already a success! A. They don't even know what it looks like and have any idea of the specifications. B. They don't even know what it looks like and have any idea of the specifications. Really, just be patient, we'll see how "better" it is.

 

The specs are out so yes everyone (well obviously not everyone) knows the specs but granted no one knows what it will look like.

 

The bigger question at this point is what will it cost?

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If a person owns a PS3 you think they would buy a new console to play the games they can already PLAY?


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I think it's original in the sense that Sony CANNOT credibly release a worthy competitor to the Scorpio any time soon, as they just releaed that dog called the PS4 PRO, and that part of the base would be quite **bleep**. I don't think it would hurt to do this as a semi-gimmick, and at least make some gamers like myself very happy. I'd be willing to pay the -honest- markup for whatever the extra chips and hardware costs over a standard PS4. Nintendo released the classic as a quick-hit gimmick, so what would be the big deal of Sony doing one??? They wouldn't have to stop selling "normal" PS4's just have a variant on the shelf next to it.


Nintendo could release the classic, because it is basically a Raspberry Pi with emulated Roms. Somethign that can be done for cheap. For Sony to do a PS1 classic, they need either a disc drive, or enough storage to hold games. SInce they are on CD they need GB of storage, sure GB of ROM are cheap enough, but then they need to program an emulator. Something that also costs. Then keep the price down. That I don't see happening. I think it would be great too, but as far as business goes, I don't see it happening.

 

YOu know it is more than just the cost of chips? SOmebody has to design the system. The boards, the chips, interaction, etc. Then program the OS to do it. The hardware is the smallest portion of the costs. It cost over 3 billions to develop the PS3, most of that was in the PS2 hardware and the Cell processor. It isn't free. Just more money they need to recoup, they could do it if they budget for profit on the hardware, because they normally profit on the PS4 software, not the PS4 hardware.

 

They could release a scorpio, just get AMD to crank up the speed on the chips. That said MS is at least 20 million consoles behind Sony, this is their way of trying to get back in the market. So far it isn't working.

 

For the record, I would like to see a PS4 that plays PS3, PS2, PS1 games, but I understand that profit mode Sony won't ever bring one.

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JorgeGarcia1170 wrote:

I think it's original in the sense that Sony CANNOT credibly release a worthy competitor to the Scorpio any time soon, as they just releaed that dog called the PS4 PRO, and that part of the base would be quite **bleep**. I don't think it would hurt to do this as a semi-gimmick, and at least make some gamers like myself very happy. I'd be willing to pay the -honest- markup for whatever the extra chips and hardware costs over a standard PS4. Nintendo released the classic as a quick-hit gimmick, so what would be the big deal of Sony doing one??? They wouldn't have to stop selling "normal" PS4's just have a variant on the shelf next to it.


Nintendo could release the classic, because it is basically a Raspberry Pi with emulated Roms. Somethign that can be done for cheap. For Sony to do a PS1 classic, they need either a disc drive, or enough storage to hold games. SInce they are on CD they need GB of storage, sure GB of ROM are cheap enough, but then they need to program an emulator. Something that also costs. Then keep the price down. That I don't see happening. I think it would be great too, but as far as business goes, I don't see it happening.

 

YOu know it is more than just the cost of chips? SOmebody has to design the system. The boards, the chips, interaction, etc. Then program the OS to do it. The hardware is the smallest portion of the costs. It cost over 3 billions to develop the PS3, most of that was in the PS2 hardware and the Cell processor. It isn't free. Just more money they need to recoup, they could do it if they budget for profit on the hardware, because they normally profit on the PS4 software, not the PS4 hardware.

 

They could release a scorpio, just get AMD to crank up the speed on the chips. That said MS is at least 20 million consoles behind Sony, this is their way of trying to get back in the market. So far it isn't working.

 

For the record, I would like to see a PS4 that plays PS3, PS2, PS1 games, but I understand that profit mode Sony won't ever bring one.


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That would be a sweet console, great idea OP. Not sure why some people have to throw tantrums...
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I think the Scrorpio is going to be a dud and MS won't be taking away the PS4's crown, probably ever again. They are going the way of the Dreamcast...However, Sony is in a bad spot as they won't be able to answer the Scorpio for quite a while. All I'm proposing is a variant console, for the retro crowd. IT wouldn't be THAT hard for Sony to do. Not everyone games the same way, you know.

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Yes, I think they would buy it...to consolidate their gaming life into one tidy box. I personally would enjoy to take any PS1 or PS2 game from my legacy shelf and pop it into my PS4. I know you can hunt down a certain game in the store and most likely pay a fee to re-play it, but that's not the point...if I bouught the dsc, it'd be nice to play my old disc in my curren hardware. As the cost of PC's and chips fall off of a cliff, this has to morph into a more reasonable request as time goes on.

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Yes, I think they would buy it...to consolidate their gaming life into one tidy box. I personally would enjoy to take any PS1 or PS2 game from my legacy shelf and pop it into my PS4. I know you can hunt down a certain game in the store and most likely pay a fee to re-play it, but that's not the point...if I bouught the dsc, it'd be nice to play my old disc in my curren hardware. As the cost of PC's and chips fall off of a cliff, this has to morph into a more reasonable request as time goes on.


 

The one thing you're forgetting is that developers and hardware manufacturers make money when you buy, say it with me... 

 

 

GAMES.  

 

 

The way the console business works is that Sony makes the console as what's called a "loss leader". Meaning, they don't make money on the console or have a VERY low margin. Then developers all make games for that console, and Sony collects royalties on those games. It's the same business model that Gillette has when they sell you the handle for eight dollars, and then charge you $19.99 for refills. 

 

The reason why we don't have backwards compatability anymore, is because selling someone a console and then having them play their fifteen year old games is a money loser for the company. This whole idea of "oh yeah, Sony would totally make so much totally money because totallyso many totally people would totally buy it", is a gamer logic FALLACY. The console is not DESIGNED to make money. And the idea of "well, MAYBE they'd buy new games if they could play their old games", is not enough to build a viable business model. And for those who keep bringing "but... but... but.. remasters?!?". Remastered games do not sell nearly in enough numbers to justify going back and remastering every single one. There are exceptions which many mistake for being "the rule". And as for Microsoft, they HAD to put that carrot out there for consumers. They had nothing left to offer. 

 

We've been having discussion for ages. Backwards compatability is not going to be coming back (PHRASING). There' really no way to take advantage of it without cutting into current game sales. Sure it would be great for you, however it would not be for them. And that's what this whole thing boils down to. 

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Yeah, I understand how it works. But I'm just offering this up an interim option for Sony since they can't really release a credible PS4-Super-Duper-Pro anytime soon. To offset the "loss" in game sales, they could charge through the nose for it....after all the people who would buy it would be older folks like myself who would pay to get ONE console that was current, yet played my old stuff too. Ok, I'm just dreaming Smiley Happy

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Why do people get rid of their ps3 or ps2? And if you don't have it anymore why do you still have the games for it? 

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